More Colonial Connections
This is a rather long post that I'm also putting on the Payne Rootsweb listserv.
William Payne of Watertown and Ipswich (Massachusetts), his partners, and kin were very involved with iron mining there. There was also early mining activity along the Rappahannock River in Virginia near where John Payne (d. 1689) resided. There are some records also, including those that researcher Patrick Payne has previously mentioned, in which colonial Paynes in Virginia had business connections to others in New England.
The two early American mining initiatives were supported and financed at times by business interests in England, particularly from investors and iron merchants in the Bristol area. Wealthy Puritan, and later Quaker, merchants in Bristol and London were very active in colonial markets of tobacco, iron, sugar, and certain other commodities. Patrick has also shared many surnames of traders and mariners who did business with and/or were related to Paynes in this colonial era. Certain surnames, such as Brayne/Braine and Knight, though, seem to me to show more or continuing involvement with London area or West Country Paynes.
The Lyde family of the West Country could certainly be added to that surname list. Lyonel Lyde was mayor of Bristol (Engl.) in 1735, and he resided for a while earlier in Virginia. He was a wealthy iron and slave trader and was also one of the most active merchants importing tobacco from Virginia into England. He married Anna Maria/Marie Payne after the death of his first wife, whom he had married in Virginia. This Anna Maria was the daughter of Benjamin Payne who resided at times in both Chippenham and Marlborough in the county of Wiltshire. Benjamin Payne (d. 1714) was a surgeon who also worked in other towns in that county, such as Hilmarton and Preshute. His wife was Mary Mortimer, the daughter of William Mortimer of Lyneham, Wilshire, by his second wife. Benjamin Payne’s heiress was this Anna Maria who married Bristol mayor Lyonel Lyde. Lyonel Lyde apparently named one of his trading ships, the Anna Maria of Bristol, after his wife and/or his daughter. This ship and its cargo were seized by the Spanish in 1724 on a voyage from Jamaica to Bristol, but, through negotiation, were returned or restored to its owners a few years later.
Not much seems available to identify the particular ancestors of this Benjamin Payne, surgeon, of Wiltshire. The book History of Hertfordshire does show the arms of the four families in Sir Lyonel Lyde’s (son of mayor Lyonel and Anna Maria Payne Lyde) heraldry, including the arms of his maternal ancestors, the Paynes and Mortimers. The Payne arms were “lion rampant sable, on a chief gules, three crosses crosslet fitchee.” Of the many Payne arms in heraldry books, this description seems a bit closer to me to the known ones for the Paynes of Hutton, Somerset or perhaps the Jersey Payns. Paynes in the 1500s in Hutton (Soms.) had at least one family connection to Paynes who came from the Lulworth, Dorset area and probably derived from the influential Robert and Roger Fitzpayn line a couple of centuries earlier in the West Country. The early Paynes from certain parts of Dorset and Devon have been linked by a few, as well, to the early Jersey Payns.
Cornelius Lyde was a son of mayor Lyonel Lyde’s first wife, he was a Virginia planter, and, like his uncle Stephen Lyde, he resided in King William County. Lyonel Lyde’s children by his second wife, Anna Maria Payne, included a daughter Anna Maria who married merchant Chauncey Poole of Bristol, a son Samuel, and another son, Sir Lyonel Lyde of Bristol. Stephen Lyde of Virginia (brother to mayor Lyonel and uncle to Sir Lyonel Lyde) married Elizabeth Gwynn, and as a widow Elizabeth Lyde married John Tayloe. Several of these Lydes and this John Tayloe owned shares in the Iron Mines and Iron Works of King George County, Virginia. Iron ore from here and also Maryland was supplied to the English forges of wealthy ironmaster and merchant, Edward Knight. This Edward Knight of Wolverley (Worc.) was the son of Richard Knight and Elizabeth Payne. Their grandson, Richard Payne Knight, son of Rev. Thomas Knight, was a well-known English classical scholar and connoisseur best known for his theories of picturesque beauty. Richard Knight of Downton (Herts) had mining interests also in the county of Shropshire where Elizabeth Payne was born as the daughter of iron trader Andrew Payne of Shawbury. Again, as with Benjamin Payne of Wiltshire, very little seems easily available about this Andrew Payne of Shawbury in Shropshire. Andrew Payne was probably born there in about 1645. Andrew's wife was named Elizabeth also, and other than this daughter (Elizabeth, b. 1671), Andrew Payne seems to have sons Robert and Rafe Payne who were born there in 1662 and 1665.
Tracing the large and diversely located Knight family is challenging also, but it shows Knights related to the wealthy ironmasters Richard and Edward Knight marrying other Paynes in iron mining areas of Sussex/Surrey, such as near East Grinstead. The related Knights of Bristol, including Sir John Knight, were also among the most prominent of slave traders and sugar merchants doing business in places such as Barbados in the West Indies (where a large number of Paynes were located prior to 1700 and interacting in records with settlers there largely from Bristol and West Country families). Also as a relative was the Giles Knight who married an Elizabeth Payne (daughter of a George Payne) as his second wife. Giles Knight was apparently born around 1610 and probably at Lingfield in the county of Surrey. Records conflict as to whether Giles Knight married Elizabeth Payne in Lingfield, Surrey or later after he moved to Gloucestershire and to another mining area. There were many children from Giles Knight’s marriages, first to Elizabeth Williams and then Elizabeth Payne, and at least one of the children, and perhaps more, settled in the Byberry area of colonial and Quaker Pennsylvania. At least one Knight from this line apparently moved somewhat later to the Quaker settlement area around Albemarle and Chowan in early North Carolina.
I could provide more details in places above. I’ve been aware of most of these Payne names and places for years, but only recently have I seen a few more linkages among them. I haven’t posted these names and others, largely because I’m still trying to investigate and better understand them. I often arrive at apparent dead ends, though, where I can no further find information about individual lines with strong colonial connections, such as the Benjamin Payne of Chippingham, Wiltshire or the Andrew Payne of Shawbury, Shropshire. There’s a chance though that someone might recognize one of these Paynes and provide us with more details. The linkages of these particular Paynes to certain colonial business sectors probably add more support to Patrick Payne’s claims about a Payne merchant-mariner colonial network. I doubt that many Paynes who have been identified through the years on this list as merchants and mariners in England, America, etc. were part of a very formal and carefully organized Payne business network. However, I do believe that Paynes, Payns, Paines, etc. in colonial and pre-colonial England were very often descendants of medieval Paynels, Fitpayns, etc. who were involved with royalty and their business and personal interests. A continuing Payne entrepreneurial and patronage background appears to exist in which these descendants often worked together on business interests, particularly wine, cloth, iron, and sugar. Perhaps strong conflicts caused by the Reformation era, the English Civil War, and the later heated debates and ill feelings on the issue of anti-slavery (within England and led by the Quakers) distanced branches and members of these Payne families and has resulted in nothing like an overarching Payne history having been written. We can see plenty of evidence of Payne families who took opposing sides as Catholics vs. Protestants, royalists vs. parliamentarians, and Dissenters/Quakers vs. Puritans. I'm not sure that many Americans today realize fully the high level of personal antipathy or hatred that these political and religious conflicts caused in colonial England. Continuing torture over years (such as with Henry Neville Payne) and the executions of various Paynes in those eras likely created that level of ill will among countrymen and family branches.
Partial list of references:
* Genealogical memoranda of the family of Ames [descendant of the Lydes], p. 51. www.archive.org/stream/.../genealogicalmemo00ames_djvu.txt
* A2A: Wiltshire and Swindon Archives, Testimonials for surgeons, midwifes and schoolmasters
* A genealogical and heraldic history of the extinct and dormant baronetcies ... John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke, 1841, pp. 330-331.
* History of Hertfordshire. J.E. Cussans, 1972, p. 238.
* Masters and men: in the West Midland metalware trades before the industrial revolution. M. B. Rowlands, 1975, p. 64.
*The trade of Bristol in the eighteenth century. Edited by W. E. Minchinton, Bristol Record Society, 1957, p. 146.
This is a rather long post that I'm also putting on the Payne Rootsweb listserv.
William Payne of Watertown and Ipswich (Massachusetts), his partners, and kin were very involved with iron mining there. There was also early mining activity along the Rappahannock River in Virginia near where John Payne (d. 1689) resided. There are some records also, including those that researcher Patrick Payne has previously mentioned, in which colonial Paynes in Virginia had business connections to others in New England.
The two early American mining initiatives were supported and financed at times by business interests in England, particularly from investors and iron merchants in the Bristol area. Wealthy Puritan, and later Quaker, merchants in Bristol and London were very active in colonial markets of tobacco, iron, sugar, and certain other commodities. Patrick has also shared many surnames of traders and mariners who did business with and/or were related to Paynes in this colonial era. Certain surnames, such as Brayne/Braine and Knight, though, seem to me to show more or continuing involvement with London area or West Country Paynes.
The Lyde family of the West Country could certainly be added to that surname list. Lyonel Lyde was mayor of Bristol (Engl.) in 1735, and he resided for a while earlier in Virginia. He was a wealthy iron and slave trader and was also one of the most active merchants importing tobacco from Virginia into England. He married Anna Maria/Marie Payne after the death of his first wife, whom he had married in Virginia. This Anna Maria was the daughter of Benjamin Payne who resided at times in both Chippenham and Marlborough in the county of Wiltshire. Benjamin Payne (d. 1714) was a surgeon who also worked in other towns in that county, such as Hilmarton and Preshute. His wife was Mary Mortimer, the daughter of William Mortimer of Lyneham, Wilshire, by his second wife. Benjamin Payne’s heiress was this Anna Maria who married Bristol mayor Lyonel Lyde. Lyonel Lyde apparently named one of his trading ships, the Anna Maria of Bristol, after his wife and/or his daughter. This ship and its cargo were seized by the Spanish in 1724 on a voyage from Jamaica to Bristol, but, through negotiation, were returned or restored to its owners a few years later.
Not much seems available to identify the particular ancestors of this Benjamin Payne, surgeon, of Wiltshire. The book History of Hertfordshire does show the arms of the four families in Sir Lyonel Lyde’s (son of mayor Lyonel and Anna Maria Payne Lyde) heraldry, including the arms of his maternal ancestors, the Paynes and Mortimers. The Payne arms were “lion rampant sable, on a chief gules, three crosses crosslet fitchee.” Of the many Payne arms in heraldry books, this description seems a bit closer to me to the known ones for the Paynes of Hutton, Somerset or perhaps the Jersey Payns. Paynes in the 1500s in Hutton (Soms.) had at least one family connection to Paynes who came from the Lulworth, Dorset area and probably derived from the influential Robert and Roger Fitzpayn line a couple of centuries earlier in the West Country. The early Paynes from certain parts of Dorset and Devon have been linked by a few, as well, to the early Jersey Payns.
Cornelius Lyde was a son of mayor Lyonel Lyde’s first wife, he was a Virginia planter, and, like his uncle Stephen Lyde, he resided in King William County. Lyonel Lyde’s children by his second wife, Anna Maria Payne, included a daughter Anna Maria who married merchant Chauncey Poole of Bristol, a son Samuel, and another son, Sir Lyonel Lyde of Bristol. Stephen Lyde of Virginia (brother to mayor Lyonel and uncle to Sir Lyonel Lyde) married Elizabeth Gwynn, and as a widow Elizabeth Lyde married John Tayloe. Several of these Lydes and this John Tayloe owned shares in the Iron Mines and Iron Works of King George County, Virginia. Iron ore from here and also Maryland was supplied to the English forges of wealthy ironmaster and merchant, Edward Knight. This Edward Knight of Wolverley (Worc.) was the son of Richard Knight and Elizabeth Payne. Their grandson, Richard Payne Knight, son of Rev. Thomas Knight, was a well-known English classical scholar and connoisseur best known for his theories of picturesque beauty. Richard Knight of Downton (Herts) had mining interests also in the county of Shropshire where Elizabeth Payne was born as the daughter of iron trader Andrew Payne of Shawbury. Again, as with Benjamin Payne of Wiltshire, very little seems easily available about this Andrew Payne of Shawbury in Shropshire. Andrew Payne was probably born there in about 1645. Andrew's wife was named Elizabeth also, and other than this daughter (Elizabeth, b. 1671), Andrew Payne seems to have sons Robert and Rafe Payne who were born there in 1662 and 1665.
Tracing the large and diversely located Knight family is challenging also, but it shows Knights related to the wealthy ironmasters Richard and Edward Knight marrying other Paynes in iron mining areas of Sussex/Surrey, such as near East Grinstead. The related Knights of Bristol, including Sir John Knight, were also among the most prominent of slave traders and sugar merchants doing business in places such as Barbados in the West Indies (where a large number of Paynes were located prior to 1700 and interacting in records with settlers there largely from Bristol and West Country families). Also as a relative was the Giles Knight who married an Elizabeth Payne (daughter of a George Payne) as his second wife. Giles Knight was apparently born around 1610 and probably at Lingfield in the county of Surrey. Records conflict as to whether Giles Knight married Elizabeth Payne in Lingfield, Surrey or later after he moved to Gloucestershire and to another mining area. There were many children from Giles Knight’s marriages, first to Elizabeth Williams and then Elizabeth Payne, and at least one of the children, and perhaps more, settled in the Byberry area of colonial and Quaker Pennsylvania. At least one Knight from this line apparently moved somewhat later to the Quaker settlement area around Albemarle and Chowan in early North Carolina.
I could provide more details in places above. I’ve been aware of most of these Payne names and places for years, but only recently have I seen a few more linkages among them. I haven’t posted these names and others, largely because I’m still trying to investigate and better understand them. I often arrive at apparent dead ends, though, where I can no further find information about individual lines with strong colonial connections, such as the Benjamin Payne of Chippingham, Wiltshire or the Andrew Payne of Shawbury, Shropshire. There’s a chance though that someone might recognize one of these Paynes and provide us with more details. The linkages of these particular Paynes to certain colonial business sectors probably add more support to Patrick Payne’s claims about a Payne merchant-mariner colonial network. I doubt that many Paynes who have been identified through the years on this list as merchants and mariners in England, America, etc. were part of a very formal and carefully organized Payne business network. However, I do believe that Paynes, Payns, Paines, etc. in colonial and pre-colonial England were very often descendants of medieval Paynels, Fitpayns, etc. who were involved with royalty and their business and personal interests. A continuing Payne entrepreneurial and patronage background appears to exist in which these descendants often worked together on business interests, particularly wine, cloth, iron, and sugar. Perhaps strong conflicts caused by the Reformation era, the English Civil War, and the later heated debates and ill feelings on the issue of anti-slavery (within England and led by the Quakers) distanced branches and members of these Payne families and has resulted in nothing like an overarching Payne history having been written. We can see plenty of evidence of Payne families who took opposing sides as Catholics vs. Protestants, royalists vs. parliamentarians, and Dissenters/Quakers vs. Puritans. I'm not sure that many Americans today realize fully the high level of personal antipathy or hatred that these political and religious conflicts caused in colonial England. Continuing torture over years (such as with Henry Neville Payne) and the executions of various Paynes in those eras likely created that level of ill will among countrymen and family branches.
Partial list of references:
* Genealogical memoranda of the family of Ames [descendant of the Lydes], p. 51. www.archive.org/stream/.../genealogicalmemo00ames_djvu.txt
* A2A: Wiltshire and Swindon Archives, Testimonials for surgeons, midwifes and schoolmasters
* A genealogical and heraldic history of the extinct and dormant baronetcies ... John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke, 1841, pp. 330-331.
* History of Hertfordshire. J.E. Cussans, 1972, p. 238.
* Masters and men: in the West Midland metalware trades before the industrial revolution. M. B. Rowlands, 1975, p. 64.
*The trade of Bristol in the eighteenth century. Edited by W. E. Minchinton, Bristol Record Society, 1957, p. 146.
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