Paynes related to or associated with those in Hutton/Criston
My last post identified some of the Hutton/Criston Paynes, but there are records that indicate these Paynes have been linked directly to other wealthy, manor-owning Paynes in Somerset and surrounding counties. I'll start first with some very interesting Paynes who were located about 20 miles away to the southwest in small towns and manors near Bridgwater and in Taunton in Somerset (specifically Chilton, Rhode, North Petherton, Goathurst, and West Monkton). The Visitation of Somerset and Bristol in 1672 (p.117) refers to this family as the Paynes of Chilton. Their arms (Gu. 3 crosses botony arg. and on a chief az. 2 escallops) are apparently on the brass of Thomas Payne (d. 1528) at Hutton and the arms without the chief are on the brass of John Payne (d. 1546) of Hutton, but how this family was related to the Hutton family was described as unknown or uncertain.
Basic information in that 1672 visitation on the Paynes of Chilton (pp. 117-118) appears below:
I. John Payne of Taunton in Com Somerset had issue
1. Philip of whom below (II)
2. John 2d son mar: Tacy dau of Nicholas Holway of Taunton, Gent.
II. Philip Payne of Taunton Gent. mar. Tomasen dau of Morse in Com Somerset and had issue:
III. John Payne of Chilton in Com Somerset mar: Jane dau. and heir of Edward Pawlett of Goatehurst in Com Somerset first wife by whom he had isse
1. Pawlett son and heir age 22 in 1672 mar: Millicent dau of Richard Bayley of Ducklington in Com Oxon
Second wife by whom he had issue
2. John age 6 in 1672
1. Ann 2. Millicent 3. Jane
British History Online on the manors of North Petherton describes the manor of Rhodes as follows:
Sir Amias Poulett settled Rhode on his son Henry for life (1538). After Henry died, his brother Sir Hugh Poulett was in possession. In 1600, Anthony Powlett was succeeded in possession by his brother George who probably settled it later on his son Edward. The inheritance of Rhodes was then divided between Edward Poulett's three daughters. Edward's grandson Paulett Payne (d. 1707) had settled the manor by 1701 on his son John who died in 1717. John's son Paulett (d. 1726) was succeeded by his sisters Mary and Elizabeth who married their step-brothers Edmund and John Jeane.
Precisely how the Paynes of Hutton/Criston were related to these Paynes in and near Taunton remains a mystery. George Payne of Hutton did buy 45 acres of land in Taunton (previously St. Andrew's Chantry) in 1549 according to British History Online and its description of the Durston Manors in Somerset, and a John Payne, merchant of Bridgwater appears several times around 1500 in land transactions involving the Paynes of Hutton (on the A2A site and its description of estates and land associated with the Smyths of Ashton Court).
Another group of Paynes located in the bordering county of Dorset can also be linked to the Paynes of Hutton/Criston, but there doesn't seem to be enough guidance in existing records that I've discovered to do more than mention some of these related Dorset Paynes. The book Motcombe -- Past and Present by Theodora Guest (p. 27) as well as Calendar of Close Rolls Preserved by the PRO, 1949, Vol. 6 (p. 64) seem to describe slightly differing relationships between a William Payne and his daughter Isabell of Motcombe, Dorset and the Paynes of Hutton. The latter book describes this William of Motcombe as the brother of John Payne (d. 1496) and son of Richard Payne (d. 1466) of Hutton, while the Guest book appears to refer to William Payne of Motcombe as a brother of Richard Payne (d. 1466) of Hutton. Stephen Payne of Payne's Place and Motcombe who married Sibella Twyniho and whose daughter Ann married Walter Tourney in 1515 seems closely related to this William Payne of Motcombe. The Publications of the Harliean Society, 1926, V. 77 (p. 207) list Stephen Payne's parents as Robte Payne and Elizabeth Longe and grandparents as a John and Beatrix Payne.
Several other wealthy Paynes in Somerset and this part of England who were doing business as merchants in Bristol and in London seem very likely also to be related to the Paynes of the Hutton/Criston and the Taunton areas, but I haven't been able yet to confirm these relationships. My next step in this effort, though, will be to try to show how involved these Somerset Paynes were with colonial traders and those who emigrated to America.
My last post identified some of the Hutton/Criston Paynes, but there are records that indicate these Paynes have been linked directly to other wealthy, manor-owning Paynes in Somerset and surrounding counties. I'll start first with some very interesting Paynes who were located about 20 miles away to the southwest in small towns and manors near Bridgwater and in Taunton in Somerset (specifically Chilton, Rhode, North Petherton, Goathurst, and West Monkton). The Visitation of Somerset and Bristol in 1672 (p.117) refers to this family as the Paynes of Chilton. Their arms (Gu. 3 crosses botony arg. and on a chief az. 2 escallops) are apparently on the brass of Thomas Payne (d. 1528) at Hutton and the arms without the chief are on the brass of John Payne (d. 1546) of Hutton, but how this family was related to the Hutton family was described as unknown or uncertain.
Basic information in that 1672 visitation on the Paynes of Chilton (pp. 117-118) appears below:
I. John Payne of Taunton in Com Somerset had issue
1. Philip of whom below (II)
2. John 2d son mar: Tacy dau of Nicholas Holway of Taunton, Gent.
II. Philip Payne of Taunton Gent. mar. Tomasen dau of Morse in Com Somerset and had issue:
III. John Payne of Chilton in Com Somerset mar: Jane dau. and heir of Edward Pawlett of Goatehurst in Com Somerset first wife by whom he had isse
1. Pawlett son and heir age 22 in 1672 mar: Millicent dau of Richard Bayley of Ducklington in Com Oxon
Second wife by whom he had issue
2. John age 6 in 1672
1. Ann 2. Millicent 3. Jane
British History Online on the manors of North Petherton describes the manor of Rhodes as follows:
Sir Amias Poulett settled Rhode on his son Henry for life (1538). After Henry died, his brother Sir Hugh Poulett was in possession. In 1600, Anthony Powlett was succeeded in possession by his brother George who probably settled it later on his son Edward. The inheritance of Rhodes was then divided between Edward Poulett's three daughters. Edward's grandson Paulett Payne (d. 1707) had settled the manor by 1701 on his son John who died in 1717. John's son Paulett (d. 1726) was succeeded by his sisters Mary and Elizabeth who married their step-brothers Edmund and John Jeane.
Precisely how the Paynes of Hutton/Criston were related to these Paynes in and near Taunton remains a mystery. George Payne of Hutton did buy 45 acres of land in Taunton (previously St. Andrew's Chantry) in 1549 according to British History Online and its description of the Durston Manors in Somerset, and a John Payne, merchant of Bridgwater appears several times around 1500 in land transactions involving the Paynes of Hutton (on the A2A site and its description of estates and land associated with the Smyths of Ashton Court).
Another group of Paynes located in the bordering county of Dorset can also be linked to the Paynes of Hutton/Criston, but there doesn't seem to be enough guidance in existing records that I've discovered to do more than mention some of these related Dorset Paynes. The book Motcombe -- Past and Present by Theodora Guest (p. 27) as well as Calendar of Close Rolls Preserved by the PRO, 1949, Vol. 6 (p. 64) seem to describe slightly differing relationships between a William Payne and his daughter Isabell of Motcombe, Dorset and the Paynes of Hutton. The latter book describes this William of Motcombe as the brother of John Payne (d. 1496) and son of Richard Payne (d. 1466) of Hutton, while the Guest book appears to refer to William Payne of Motcombe as a brother of Richard Payne (d. 1466) of Hutton. Stephen Payne of Payne's Place and Motcombe who married Sibella Twyniho and whose daughter Ann married Walter Tourney in 1515 seems closely related to this William Payne of Motcombe. The Publications of the Harliean Society, 1926, V. 77 (p. 207) list Stephen Payne's parents as Robte Payne and Elizabeth Longe and grandparents as a John and Beatrix Payne.
Several other wealthy Paynes in Somerset and this part of England who were doing business as merchants in Bristol and in London seem very likely also to be related to the Paynes of the Hutton/Criston and the Taunton areas, but I haven't been able yet to confirm these relationships. My next step in this effort, though, will be to try to show how involved these Somerset Paynes were with colonial traders and those who emigrated to America.
posted by Steve | 9:31 PM
1 Comments:
Steve,
Hello, I found your blog site on the Payne family. I am researching the Jean/Jayne family of Virginia and North Carolina and my interest has spread across the ocean and mostly to the Somerset Jeanes family (even though I don't believe my particular line descends from them). Like you, I've not found many people interested in looking a the whole family, most are only interested in their direct ancestors. I also rely mostly on published sources (although I've purchased over 60 wills from the National Archives of England).
I have seen the Payne/Jeanes name together in Somerset in many records, Martock and North Petherton.
I am wondering if you have been able to place any of the VA Payne family as from Somerset? I have a few Jean/Janes men who were around or supposedly married Payne/Paine women in VA and even though they have been placed in certain trees, the information seems incorrect (well dna proves some of it wrong).
I have wondered several times if some of them came from Somerset together.
Hope to hear from you,
Renee Newman
Hi Renee -
Thanks for your inquiry related to my Payne blog posts.
It seems most likely to me, as I posted, that some or many of the early Paynes in VA were Puritans who were associated with Edward and Richard Bennett who led large numbers of early immigrants to places south of the James River (IOW & Nansemond). The work of Col. Brooke Payne in the thirties and Patrick Payne in the last decade represents fairly strong evidence that at least some of these early VA and MD Paynes were from the Norfolk and Huntingdonshire Payne branches (and closely associated with royal and commercial interests). However, I believe that research will eventually show that some of the Paynes in early VA, MD, NC/SC, East Jersey, and the Caribbean (particularly Barbados) were from connected Payne family branches in Somerset, south Gloucestershire, and Dorset. I have little hard/direct evidence of this yet, but the totality of what I've been reviewing makes this seem the very likely case.
I was aware of your Google book on the Jeane (and diverse spellings) family, and some of the Gane~ealogy information that you've posted, and I was fairly sure that you must have seen the info on the Jeane brothers (John and Edmund) from Somerset who married the Payne sisters (Elizabeth and Mary) from the North Petherton/Taunton area in the early 1700s. My initial assumption has been (and you probably know a lot more about this possibility than me) that this John and Edmund Jeane were probably two of the children of Thomas Jeane, Senior of Middlezoy. Somerset, and this Edmund (d. ~ 1753) was the executor and recipient of much of the Middlezoy land from his father. This particular Payne branch in the Goathurst/Chilton/Taunton area really has interested me, since it seems closely associated with many colonial settlers and shipping/commercial activities out of Bristol. Of course, the Bennett family, with Edward doing business in London, was situated in nearby Wiveliscombe, Somerset. The marriage of a Thomas Jeane to a Dorothy Payne in Martock in the early 1600s also attracted my interest, since Dorothy was not that common of a name then and it was used several times earlier in the Hutton/Criston Payne branch. I wondered, too, why a few references on the immigrant John Payne (d. ~ 1689) of Col. Brooke Payne's book, and the apparent captain of the "John and Dorothy," reported him as being from Bristol.
The Jeanes were only one of many often quite wealthy family associated with Somerset Paynes, and I haven't spent as much time on that family as others -- only because two of the Jeane/Payne marriages came relatively late (after 1700) and after the early immigrant flows into America.
I have noted two interesting bits of info on the Jeanes, though, that you might have seen before in your research. First, there was a Captain John Jeanes who was sailing from Charleston (SC) to Bristol in 1724 who whipped, badly beat, and killed his cabin boy, Richard Peyne (in one source and Richard Pye in another). This Capt. John Jeane was tried before the Admiralty for the offense, found guilty, and executed in 1726. There were a number of John Jeanes in the Somerset area then, but I've wondered if this might be the John Jeane who married Elizabeth Payne. Another John Jeane was the collector of revenue at Brunswick (NC) in 1742 and probably died a few years later. This part of NC was a repository for many Paynes with non-conformist and Quaker roots (from VA, East Jersey, New England, Barbados, etc.
Doubt that what I've covered will be much help to you, and you probably have much more info on these Paynes than I have collected so far on the Jeanes. I'll try to copy this message to Patrick Payne, who has spent a lot more time and effort researching Paynes in other parts of England than I have, in the long shot that he's run across something on these or other Jeanes connected with Paynes and will respond to you. Hope you'll pass along anything that you think might fit into my Payne interests. --- Steve
P.S. Some of those English wills are really tough to read/interpret. I should really check more on certain Payne wills (based on my recent research) but this can get expensive (and I'm conspicuously frugal) and I've occasionally been disappointed with the info quality of ones that I've viewed.
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